74. Stroke Recovery and Responsibility: Survivor Science So…
Send us a text Welcome to 2025 and the first episode of the year! In this episode, I’m diving into the themes of responsibility and mindset…
Jan. 6, 2025
74. Stroke Recovery and Responsibility: Survivor Science Soundbite
Welcome to 2025 and the first episode of the year! In this episode, I’m diving into the themes of responsibility and mindset in stroke recovery, inspired by Bill Gasiamis’s book, Stroke: The Best Thing That Happened to Me. One of the key takeaways I explore is the importance of avoiding rigid timelines in recovery to minimize frustration and disappointment. I also share my thoughts on how taking responsibility—while not blaming yourself—can be a powerful way to regain control and stay focused on progress.
I reflect on my own recovery journey, from managing expectations to setting goals that are flexible yet intentional. Recovery is different for every stroke survivor, but one constant is the need to lead your own path forward while using the resources and support systems available to you. This episode is packed with insights from Bill’s book, as well as my personal experiences navigating setbacks, lessons learned, and how I’ve applied these ideas to my life.
If you’re a stroke survivor, caregiver, or someone supporting a loved one, this episode will resonate with you. Let’s start the year strong, focused, and ready to tackle what’s ahead together.
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And welcome to 2025.
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I'm back for the first episode of this season with a new survivor science soundbite.
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This first episode of Tony's horny five.
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Sorry.
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That took a second to remember to kick in.
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Is, uh, going to be a good one.
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I'm excited.
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I am refresh.
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I hope you had a wonderful holiday season.
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I know I did.
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Um, although I don't look like.
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I just got off the treadmill before a recording today.
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But I I'm excited about 20, 25 and I hope you are too.
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Again, I hope you had a great holiday season.
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You got some refreshing, relaxing time with family.
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That is a.
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You know, open to interpretation, depending on if your.
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Apparent, uh, or you had a lot of family in town.
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It can be rough for some, hopefully it wasn't, hopefully you are refocused re-energized, uh, and excited for the year ahead.
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I know it's corny.
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Because so many bills do it.
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And I don't think I am alone in this.
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I know a lot of people start off there.
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You're setting new intentions, having new goals.
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I think those are all good things to have.
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Um, you know, the start of the year is this.
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A start of a quarter.
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It's no different than any other quarter of the year.
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And so why not?
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Um, I feel like it, I feel like it's a good time to kind of, it's a fresh start.
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It's.
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It's not insignificant, but it's not, you know, I wouldn't put it.
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Uh, as an, an end all be all.
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If you didn't think about things and where you want to go in 25, 20, 25 yet.
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That's okay.
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There's plenty of time.
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There's 360 plus days.
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You can do a lot in that time.
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Um, so yeah.
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Hopefully you're caught up.
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Hopefully you're ready to start the new year, but if you're not, you still have some time.
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And, uh, like everything in stroke, everything is different.
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Very survivor.
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And why would goals for the new year be any different?
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Um, so yeah.
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So over break.
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I mean, I bought, so as you know, I was on bill gates and this is podcast, a recovery of.
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Stroke.
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Back in the fall, back in October, November.
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And it was a really great conversation.
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I enjoyed talking to bill, I've talked to bill.
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A couple of times, I've talked to a lot of people who have talked to bill.
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Um, A bunch of different strokes of average over the last couple of months.
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I mean, I've been talking to strokes drivers for years, but, uh, with a new.
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A new sense of purpose, I guess, you know, I was, I build this brand and build the show.
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I reached out to more survivors and I continued to have conversations.
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Uh, Honestly, almost daily since you know, for awhile now, but, uh, it really feels like it's kind of propelled and propelled, propelled itself into like a.
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Another.
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Another level, um, So, yeah, I had a couple conversations last week after the new year holiday.
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And, uh, honestly I just had things to do today.
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Otherwise I would have had more conversations and I got a few on the books for this week.
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Hopefully some new guests.
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Was supposed to.
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Uh, have a couple of guests scheduled over the holidays, but I think schedules just get, uh, You know, we probably all do this as chokes two hours.
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We think we have more time than we do.
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Uh, I'm guilty of this.
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I over-scheduled sometimes.
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And I forget to build in breaks.
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You know, I can't really forget that I have a family, but sometimes I do and, um, things come up and that's okay.
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And that's, you know, Again, Long year.
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Plenty of a podcast guests.
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Uh, in the pipeline now.
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And then, um, you know, I'm going to continue to do the solo episodes on Mondays and Fridays.
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I know the schedule was a little off during the holidays again.
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Uh, guilty of over-scheduling over promising I over promised and under delivered, but you know, the time with the Wednesday holiday in particular this year, Just got a little weird.
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So I did a, I think one or two episodes that first week over during Christmas, and then I did one, one episode to wrap up.
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2024 and then, um, didn't have an episode on new year's and didn't get one out Friday, just a lot of things going on and a lot of conversations.
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And frankly, I was exhausted from the conversations on Friday.
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They're all good.
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They were great.
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Thursday and Friday had a lot of great calls, but it was just, um, a lot to catch up on a lot to think about.
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I just wanted to get ready.
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To hit the ground running this year.
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So, you know, now is Monday, January six.
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It is already the sixth of the new year.
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That is actually kind of wild.
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If you think about it.
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So, yeah.
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Uh, let's circle back to this particular episode, now that we've covered the holidays and we're in the new year.
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Over the weekend.
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I, you know, like I said, I was chatting, I chatted with bill on his podcast.
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He was a guest on mine back in the fall.
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Great guy, enjoy talking to him.
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Bill's got a lot of great insight.
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He's a, uh, 10 plus year stroke survivor.
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I've been through a lot.
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Got a great show on YouTube.
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Check it out.
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If you haven't.
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Uh, again, it's bill gassy.
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This is a.
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Yeah.
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Uh, recovery after stroke is the podcast.
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And then over the weekend, I started reading his book, which I bought back when we chatted.
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And boy do.
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I wish I had that book, um, five years ago when I had my stroke, because it's a really well done.
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I've only read a couple of chapters so far.
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I'm just kind of going through it slowly, trying to really absorb it.
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And take it in.
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It's a great book, highly recommended.
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Uh, he's not asked me to shout it out.
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I just want to talk about it and shout it out.
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It's called a stroke.
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The best thing that happened to me.
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And I will tell you just from the introduction and the first couple of chapters, there's a lot of great takeaways and they're really important.
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I think it's a really good book.
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I've read other books by stroke survivors.
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I don't know that I've come across one.
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That is this good, this quick and just very actionable.
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Now I haven't finished the book, so I can't give it a full review, but.
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It certainly inspired me and getting, thinking about things stuck about this week.
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And because it started in the new year.
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I really wanted to dive into kinda what I've read over the weekend and, and chat about it.
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And I think it's a great building block for the first episode of the show.
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Uh, for the new year.
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So yeah.
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Uh, Just kinda.
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I don't want to give away the book obviously, but I do want to connect with it and, and share some takeaways.
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And some of the, like, you know, things he brought up.
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That I really enjoyed.
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I'm not going to quote the quotes per se, but I think one of the things that immediately jumped out to me in the first few pages.
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Was.
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Avoid placing a timeline on recovery as this is sure.
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To lead to disappointment.
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And that is a very powerful statement.
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If you.
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If you capture it, if you think about it, it is really important.
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Uh, I can't emphasize that enough because I have been guilty of this.
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I think we all have been guilty of this.
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I'm sure bill was guilty of this.
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I think he talks about it in the chapter.
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And looking back.
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It's really good.
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I mean, I've said this before.
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I think a lot of us say recovering from stroke is not the same as recovering from broken bone or a minor medical condition.
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You know, we had crispy and on, uh, about a year ago and he had a heart attack, not a stroke.
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And that was certainly difficult for him.
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And he's certainly been a champion of, uh, being a heart attack survivor.
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Changed his lifestyle changed his diet.
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Very similar story to me he's was about a month before mine.
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We used to be coworkers and, um, But yeah.
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Serious medical life events are, are.
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Oh, it's hard to put a timeline on them.
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Again, broken bones are not insignificant, but they're definitely not the same.
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I can't emphasize that enough.
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I, if you haven't realized that.
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Uh, obviously.
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You know, I think you, you realize it quickly, even if you don't realize it immediately.
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And just that statement alone.
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I feel like I could go on a rant, but I feel like it is super important.
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And so kind of what I've talked about on gelada.
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lots of episodes.
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Is that like, You want to have goals?
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Do you want to have like a, sort of a set of goals and a target and think about a list and that you kind of shuffle a list around based on how you're feeling.
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Where you want to go.
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Like a lot of us who are wheelchair bound, um, You know, generally speaking, the first goal is to walk, right?
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And so that's very easy and clear to focus on, but you can't do.
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All you can, you can't just fix walking in a week.
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I wish you could.
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I certainly wish I could have.
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But it's not possible.
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So there it's, it's a two-fold thing because a lot of times I say focus on one thing, and that is super important.
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I think in realizing that.
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It's important to focus on one thing at a time while you're doing the task.
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You're like, you know, focusing on walking when you're practicing, walking.
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Is what I mean there.
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But you're not going to fix walking in a week.
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You're not probably going to fix it in a month.
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It may be a long journey.
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So what I mean by focusing on one thing at a time, is this focus.
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Whenever you're working on from your list of deficits or things you want to get better on after stroke.
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You know, some of these things may not be apparent in the other early days.
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That's super important.
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To remember.
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And then also on top of that, I think it's super important to, you know, Obviously.
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You put time into walking, but then you may need coordination things.
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Like if you think about it, if you've had the fortunate ability to be an inpatient.
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You know, You do a little speech, you do a little OT, you do a little PT, they break it up into hour long chunks.
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That's probably good enough.
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Obviously, some of us want more, but it.
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Too.
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You know, the reason that they don't give you more generally.
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Is because they know from experience, this is something they all know.
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Um, And again, everybody's different, but generally speaking, you're not going to fix walk in a week.
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Right.
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So you got push it for that hour and push it hard if you want, but like, Going super hard.
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Isn't going to fix things faster.
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I'm a very intense guy.
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I am unapologetic about that.
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I recognize that about myself.
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People tell me all the time.
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In fact, I spoke with Molly from beyond stillness last week.
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And she pointed out to me through our conversation that I.
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I am a, a lot.
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I'm relentless.
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I am, uh, persistent, uh, probably to my detriment.
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It's like, I'm trying to live five lives in one life, and that is.
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Ambitious.
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Not impossible, but perhaps sometimes I need to dial it back.
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Even with the running.
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Think about how intense I am about that.
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I ran 20 miles a day.
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Honestly in the last couple of weeks, uh, last two weeks in particular, I've slowed down a little bit.
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I I'm trying to focus in different areas.
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And on a bunch of different things and I'm going back to Soros, not square one, but kind of square one.
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I'm focusing on things.
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You know, need to do.
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Focus on.
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You know, all of this is to say I'm prefacing.
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A big point.
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Bill makes in chapter one of his book, which is.
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Sort of setting the stage for taking responsibility.
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Um, that is something I've done over the course of my stroke.
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It's a very powerful chapter.
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Yeah.
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I can't recommend this book enough.
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To stroke survivors out there who are looking for a book and maybe not a podcast or, or a book to go along with podcasts, you know, Check out his podcast, check out my podcast.
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Um, check out all the podcasts on stroke, figure out, you know, who's speaking to you.
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I know I'm intense.
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I talked with Jason loops last Friday.
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Um, we had a great conversation.
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We're both very intense stroke survivors.
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We, we kind of take it on, uh, D uh, you know, a different angle than others.
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We're both former athletes.
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We're very intense.
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We, we push ourselves hard, um, again on unapologetically, like, but it works for us.
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And that's the important thing was stroke.
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Whether it's my show or another show or anybody's show.
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You can glean something for everybody it's worth listening to a variety of perspectives.
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Find, you know, Listen to them all.
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Honestly, if you're a stroke survivor, why not go support other stroke survivors that are creating content, creating podcasts, you know, post stroke is a great channel.
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If you're at home and doing a lot of.
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Looking for different exercises or just.
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Again, it's it's a lot.
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It's it's it's it's, you know, stroke is not easy.
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It's hard to figure out what's what.
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And we're all kind of.
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Sharing different unique perspectives and sharing the similarities sometimes.
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And it's a.
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You know, we're all sharing that it's worth it and to keep going.
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And I think, you know, again, I was reading Bill's book because.
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He's obviously 300 plus episodes of his podcast and it hits really good.
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He's.
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He's really honed it in he's he's a great interviewer.
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He's got great guests, uh, you know, uh, He's somebody I admire and I hope to build a very similar brand over the next couple of years.
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It's it's not easy as a stroke star.
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You likely know that.
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There's a lot of work that goes into building a podcast.
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These, these.
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The soundbite episodes that are only supposed to be about 30 minutes.
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Sometimes they wind up being longer, but it's a lot and it's, it's, it's a lot for anybody.
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And.
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You know, congratulations to bill and frankly, I'll pat myself on the back.
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I mean, most people, they, I think the stats are like most podcasts, creators that start a podcast.
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They don't make it past episode 14.
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Well, Bill's on 300 and something and I'm on 70.
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This is 74 today.
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I believe of this podcast and I've also done another podcast since my stroke.
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So I'm about.
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I don't think I'm quite to 300, but I'm definitely closing in on 200.
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Between the two podcasts.
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And so, and plus all the ones I've been a guest on and, and, and done with friends and most summer strokes, some are just random other topics.
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I've done a lot with coaches.
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I've done a lot with.
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Uh, different different people with different podcasts, you know?
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Kind of going back to what I chatted with about Molly, that I.
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I'm not trying to live five different lives.
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I just have so many interests kind of like, you know, not to carp, compare myself to Joe Rogan, but.
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He's another guy.
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He has a lot of different guests cause he has a lot of different interests and whatever interests him, interests his audience.
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And that's that's, what's great about him.
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Not everybody can do that.
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Not everybody should do that.
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And I think that's a.
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You know, that's, that's kind of wraps that up, but I think, uh, again, back to Bill's book in particular, There's some really good things in the introduction that I like, you know, again, it's the recovery and not putting a timeline on yourself because you're sure to be disappointed.
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I cannot, I don't want to harp on that, but I do want to emphasize that because I think when you put expectations on yourself as a they can.
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Things change.
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I didn't want to admit that for a long time.
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I'm sure a lot of you didn't want to admit that for a long time.
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It's it's.
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If, if the don't.
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You're very lucky as a stroke survivor, and you're probably not even listening to this podcast, but the reality is things change.
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They may not change forever, but the go to change for a period of time, you're just simply not going to be able to operate.
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To the full capacity that you probably.
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The previous day to hear stroke.
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We're operating at and that's okay.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
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I think the sooner you sort of wrap your head around that.
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The better things to become.
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I'm not going to say easier because nothing is easy as a stroke survivor, but.
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It's better because you're going to, you won't be.
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You won't set yourself up for failure or disappointment or have unrealistic expectations.
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So the sooner you kind of get into that mindset, I think the better.
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You know, and.
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That depends on the day.
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It depends on so many factors.
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Um, He said one thing that was interesting about being guarded about.
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Who and what you share.
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Certain information about, and I think that's, that's an important takeaway too.
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It's not.
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I dunno.
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I think that's, that's unique to everybody.
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But it kind of.
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It's important in that it leads to other things it's like, you.
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Your friends are going to change your life is going to change.
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You may not recognize it early.
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You might not see it till later.
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Again, it may not happen.
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I hope it doesn't happen, but realistically, I think many of us would support this, that.
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Friends and relationships and life changes.
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Pretty dramatically and maybe not abruptly, but it will change over time.
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I think what.
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Sort of delayed my experience in that is that my stroke was right before, about three months before COVID and then on top of the, you know, I had the stroke like that wasn't enough for that.
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I got diagnosed with Ms.
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And then the pandemic happened.
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So it was a real.
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Strange time to say the least.
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Um, you know, I'm not gonna talk too much about that.
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I've talked about.
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How I feel kind of lucky that it happened at that time, but it's also not the best thing to have happened.
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Yeah.
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It's I don't know.
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It's interesting.
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Um, funny enough.
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That the title of the book is stroke.
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The best thing that happened to me, and I kind of really do agree with that.
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But yeah.
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That's kind of, um, you know, kind of the beginning of the book.
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I, again, I don't want to give too much away, but it's really good.
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Highly recommended.
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Um, cannot recommend it enough.
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Go check it out.
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Support bill by the book.
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By the physical copy.
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I bought the Kindle just because I wanted it so fast.
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Uh, I have trouble waiting for things that I want.
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So I did buy the Kindle version.
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But I might go out and buy the hard copy book too, because I just want to support bill and his show and his podcast.
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And so.
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You know, the first sort of main chapter bill talks about responsibility and what that means in his journey for recovery.
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But I like a lot of about what he says.
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You know, responsibility, isn't about blame, but more about ownership.
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Um, taking responsibility is empowering because it gives you control over your actions and your decisions.
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He tells a great story in there where he sort of, I can't remember.
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You know, I'm blanking at the moment because of course it's not in my notes.
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But.
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You know, the recovery journey is kind of, you really have to play the leading role.
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Nobody's going to do it for you.
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People can help and they certainly will and probably should in the beginning.
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But pretty quickly you realize I realized this too.
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I thought I was kind of alone, but I guess I wasn't.
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And.
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You know, I don't know if everybody approaches it this way, but certainly people like bill Jason, Molly, people I've talked to guests I've had on.
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I think we all come to the realization pretty early on in the recovery.
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Now it might not be immediate.
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It might not be week one, but I would say probably the first six months you kind of have this wake up call where you're like, All right.
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I'm not getting the answers I want.
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I'm not getting the answers I need.
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I need help.
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Uh, I'm looking all over the dark depths of the internet.
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Like.
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Again, 2019 wasn't that long ago.
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That was five years ago.
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You would've thought there were more, there was more information back then and there simply wasn't, um, or it was really hard to find.
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You know, I'm not sure how much stock I put into YouTube, but I think I was looking at books.
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I was looking at Google as being a little trust.
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A little naive now, um, AI didn't exist really to, to the degree it does to the public.
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Now.
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So I relied on teams.
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I relied on.
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Medical professionals.
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Aye.
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I would ask everybody, anytime somebody listened to me, I would ask a question and, and, and that's just my nature.
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And generally speaking, you know, they want it to be helpful.
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They would try to give me answers, but I just never liked them.
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So it was very clear to me.
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That, um, for better or worse, I was going to have to take this on, on my own.
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And I sort of did sometimes to my detriment, um, because it got to the point where I was just.
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Trying to figure everything out and thrown.
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Kind of throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks some days.
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Uh, you know, that's why you hear a lot of us talk about trial and error.
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It is a lot of trial and error.
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You gotta be smart.
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You gotta be safe.
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You gotta.
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Do your own research, do your homework.
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Do what feels right for you, but ultimately you do have to test things.
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You have to try.
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You have to figure out how to do it safely.
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You have to know when you're pushing too hard.
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You have to know when to pull back.
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I think Jason and myself were both recommend, you know, if you're even thinking you need to pull back, you probably do because both of us have been guilty of pushing a little too hard at times.
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So it's just something to consider and think about.
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And in your recovery journey, But again, nobody's going to do it for you.
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There's no magic pill.
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There's no secret.
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I don't care.
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What's.
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I think we've all heard the stories.
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There's always somebody that had some miracle thing.
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Get in the mindset.
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That's not going to happen if it does great, but the likelihood is pretty much the same as winning literally a mega millions or Powerball.
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So.
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You know, Think about how only your recovery can shift your mindset.
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Uh, again, in that chapter, he talks about Carol Dweck's book, which I've read a couple of times and I'm actually rereading again.
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Cause I feel like taking responsibility is important.
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And you know, at times I have mastered this and at times I have failed myself and those around me and I think.
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It is.
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Another thing to remember, to constantly assess and reevaluate, you know, whether it's your medications.
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Like I.
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I got so good about taking medications that I really didn't question it until last year.
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I really started questioning some things like, do I need to be taking this anymore?
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Like, is this too much?
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Should we cut back?
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Is there something I can do?
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Um, now again, I'm not a doctor, but I certainly was asking a pressing because I feel like if you are.
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You know, in my case, I went from 530 down to, you know, probably.
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Let's say 3 35, uh, you know, I'm a little under two 50 now, so let's just say two 50, keep around numbers.
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Let's 280 pounds.
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That's ha.
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So I've lost.
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Half of myself.
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I would guess I don't need to take all the medications I'm taking, but I did learn a lesson recently cause running that a B12 and B12 is very important.
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If you are in Ms.
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A warrior.
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And so, um, got that back in the toolbox.
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Cause.
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As something was going on and, and anyways, long story short B12 can sometimes if you're not taking it regularly, This is where I made a mistake.
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But I took responsibility.
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I owned it and I got the B12 back in the wife's are.
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And the mini drop foot I was experiencing last week seems to be back in order.
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And to the best of my knowledge and after seeing doctor, it does seem like it was the B12.
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In fact, because I, I ran out before Christmas and I just hadn't taken it for about a week and a half.
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So.
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If you weren't sure I've heard a man's work.
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Uh, I can attest at least B12 for me, uh, needs to come back into the toolbox.
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So.
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That's good.
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And that's what got me thinking about responsibility when it comes to recovery, because I was kind of.
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I wouldn't say it was being irresponsible, but I just kind of thought.
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Uh, do I need this?
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And uh, in fact I do so.
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Yeah, break it down.
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Uh, responsibility, you know, more ideas from the book.
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It's um, accepting what happened while focusing on what you can influence and move forward on again, that kind of circles back to.
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What I talked about in the beginning where.
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It's not focusing on one thing per se, but you do.
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Whatever the task is from your list of tasks that you want to work on.
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Focus on that one thing and worry about the next thing.
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When you complete the first thing.
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And again, Um, recognizing that, you know, recovery is a team effort, but your, the captain you're the leader.
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If you played sports, you know, captain is a big role, big.
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Big part of any sports competition.
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Um, any team.
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And you got a.
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You have to be able to run a team.
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Uh, Frankly, you know, it's no different than any most professional jobs, whether you're a manager or you're a team lead, or you're a director or a supervisor, whatever.
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I run your stroke, carry the same way you might run a team at work.
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Maybe you don't run a full team, but you work with different people.
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You know, you get, you have to learn how to interact in.
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Understand each individual member's needs.
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And it's really, I think it comes natural to me.
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And I sometimes overlook this because.
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I just think everybody kind of knows it, but it, it's not obvious to everybody.
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And I think.
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Again, um, that's why we talked about, uh, in the previous episode, looking at sports sorta for motivation and looking at biographies, great people that have run big things, whether it's, uh, You know, a CEO.
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Uh, company, whatever, like anybody that's run a team and organization business, there's a lot of blessings that our athletic goal to your stroke recovery.
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And the journey.
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And again, it's coordinating team.
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To be honest, I feel like stroke and.
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It's funny sometimes because, um, you know, I'm interested, sort of in doing project management long-term and getting into.
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I appreciate getting it that I feel, but I've been doing it for a long time.
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I've run business, run companies.
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Run.
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Teams.
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And, you know, project management is, this is no different than project management.
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That's just a, you are the project.
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In fact.
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And so what better opportunity than to, to really hone your skills than to run your own recovery?
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And I think another hard part of, um, Stroke is, is letting go of past habits and excuses that whole do back again.
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I was kind of reflecting on this and thinking back.
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You know, going into this year and just, what can I always be doing better?
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What could I do a little differently?
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What are the things that I can eliminate that are not helping?
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And just refocusing, I think is really what.
00:27:02.190 --> 00:27:03.119
Any new year.
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You know, A lot of people have goals, they set resolutions, whatever it means to you, but just sort of hone in the first couple of weeks here on there, your focus and.
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:17.910
If you want to focus on particular things for recovery.
00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:18.299
Great.
00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:27.000
If you want to focus on particular things in life, if you're a little bit further along in your show, Curry journey, you know, some may or may not really be focusing on it anymore.
00:27:27.029 --> 00:27:28.680
I mean, there are plenty of survivors out there.
00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:30.599
That have.
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.160
I've really gotten to a place where they there.
00:27:35.789 --> 00:27:37.650
Whether by choice or by life.
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:42.450
Are really back in a place that they were almost prior to the stroke.
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:42.930
Yeah, sure.
00:27:42.930 --> 00:27:45.000
Things are different, but the majority of their life.
00:27:46.349 --> 00:27:50.369
You know, if you, if you're lucky and you put the work in and you, and.
00:27:50.460 --> 00:27:53.250
And you've kind of navigated a recovery pretty well.
00:27:53.880 --> 00:28:00.240
There's no reason why you can't almost get to a place, you know, I'm not quite there yet, but I feel like I'm just about there.
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:07.619
Where you don't have to make, like you can wake up and your first thought is not, I'm a stroke survivor.
00:28:08.549 --> 00:28:10.500
You know, I don't know that that's true for everybody.
00:28:10.829 --> 00:28:17.309
I'm not, I can't say a hundred percent that'll happen, but I, you know, there are days where I just kind of hop out of bed and I don't really think about it until.
00:28:18.329 --> 00:28:20.940
Until it smacks me right in the face, in the middle of the morning.
00:28:21.210 --> 00:28:21.960
Yeah, I don't know.
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:23.700
It's every day is different and a.
00:28:24.930 --> 00:28:27.059
You know, again, it's, it's about tracking.
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.740
It's about keeping lists journaling.
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:32.460
If you, if your handwriting is good, you know, Think about things.
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:37.319
Take the beginning of the year to think about where you're at, where you want to be at the end of the year.
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:39.240
And sort of map that out.
00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:40.440
I think it's, it's good.
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It's important.
00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:44.700
And, you know, um, Try not to.
00:28:46.170 --> 00:28:47.369
You know, when you're doing that.
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.839
I think a possible excuses that maybe you've given yourself in the past, myself included.
00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:56.849
Um, you know, And it's about identifying these things and changing one habit at a time.
00:28:56.849 --> 00:28:59.670
I think that is really a great way to adopt.
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.339
You know, and get in the mindset of just change.
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One thing.
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A day and it doesn't have to be significant.
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Maybe it's a week break the goal down.
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If it's bigger.
00:29:08.190 --> 00:29:10.529
Um, But yeah, just, just.
00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:16.170
You know, again, it's, it's really about owning responsibility, taking responsibility.
00:29:16.890 --> 00:29:18.569
Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
00:29:18.630 --> 00:29:20.190
Get up and do something about it.
00:29:21.089 --> 00:29:21.900
I know it's tough.
00:29:21.930 --> 00:29:22.950
I know it's not easy.
00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:26.759
I know from my own experience, even though you see me.
00:29:27.329 --> 00:29:29.250
And you're like, oh, you've come so far and blah, blah, blah.
00:29:29.309 --> 00:29:29.519
Yeah.
00:29:29.549 --> 00:29:31.589
But there are still things I haven't done.
00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:34.049
Well, things that could have done differently.
00:29:34.890 --> 00:29:42.599
And I, that's why I try to like shy away from people giving me praise, because I know for myself, I can continue to do things better.
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And that is a big goal for me this year.
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I know that's very large abroad.
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It's not very specific.
00:29:49.529 --> 00:29:52.049
Um, I don't want to bore you with the specifics, but I think.
00:29:53.128 --> 00:30:00.388
You know, those challenges are what, um, Or what helped me grow and, and, and it's normal to feel resistance.
00:30:00.419 --> 00:30:01.230
And I think.
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You know, Everybody's different, but.
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Figure out how to get through.
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That.
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And if you're not clear on that, You know, talk to somebody, talk to.
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You know, try to be a guest on Bill's podcast.
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:13.859
It can be a guest on my podcast.
00:30:14.669 --> 00:30:16.378
You don't have to talk about it on a podcast.
00:30:16.378 --> 00:30:17.848
Joan, one of the many zooms.
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You know, I'm still working on that calendar that I said it was going to work on last week.
00:30:21.990 --> 00:30:23.970
To kind of get things organized for.
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:26.638
You know, the stroke community in general.
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:29.579
Um, Yeah, I dropped the ball on that already.
00:30:29.638 --> 00:30:31.169
I just got busy and behind.
00:30:31.169 --> 00:30:34.559
I'm trying to kinda, maybe I need to really work on.
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Yeah.
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Not necessarily not promising, but just slowing down the timeline of things.
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Cause I still.
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Try to do things too quickly.
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And as you've seen.
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I said I do it over the weekend and I don't have it.
00:30:47.909 --> 00:30:48.628
And it's Monday.
00:30:48.690 --> 00:30:54.539
So that's something I need to work on this year is trying to continue to hone things in.
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You know, Just keep that running list.
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And frankly, sometimes I need to shut my mouth about when I'm going to deliver something, because maybe the reality is, you know, I want to keep doing things and I don't want to burn out and I want to have a nice, solid, continuous year doing this show, doing the many things I do.
00:31:13.648 --> 00:31:16.470
And stop over promising and under the ring.
00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:21.690
Cause that's really where my bread and butter was for the longest time was under promising and over-delivering.
00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:23.940
So I think I need to get that mindset shift.
00:31:25.529 --> 00:31:32.099
So, yeah, uh, already over 30 minutes on this first episode of the year, I know it didn't talk for two weeks, uh, or week and a half on the show.
00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:33.150
But yeah.
00:31:33.809 --> 00:31:38.039
There's a lot of great takeaways, highly can't recommend the book enough, highly recommended to everybody.
00:31:38.069 --> 00:31:40.769
That's a stroke survivor, caregiver, family member, or friend.
00:31:40.769 --> 00:31:42.420
I think Bill's got a great book there.
00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:47.519
I can't wait to dig into the rest of it throughout the week and come back and chat more about it on Friday.
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.519
Uh, I'm going to see what I'm going to do about Wednesday.
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:56.878
I did not get, uh, we did not get anything recorded, uh, with a guest over the last couple of weeks.
00:31:56.909 --> 00:31:57.240
So.
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A little led on that.
00:31:58.769 --> 00:32:01.079
I have one in the pipeline, but I'm going to save that.
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.130
So we'll see if I can, maybe I'll just do another short, quick episode on this Wednesday.
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Catch everybody up.
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See what's going on.
00:32:08.549 --> 00:32:11.670
And then, uh, yeah, I'll be back on Friday for sure.
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.710
Back on schedule Monday, Wednesday, Friday, again, uh, we'll see what happens.
00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:19.950
Got a couple of things that might sneak in before her, uh, Wednesday.
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So we'll see.
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Anyways, I'll wrap it up for today.
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I hope you are having a great 20, 25, a happy Monday.
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I know it's exciting that the work world and life is kind of back in motion.
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The kids are back at school.
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I could not be more pumped.
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A lot of great things going on.
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Uh, busy week ahead.
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So I will, um, now I'll leave it there and I will see.
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Hopefully one day, but definitely ready.
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And welcome to 2025.
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I'm back for the first episode of this season with a new survivor science soundbite.
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This first episode of Tony's horny five.
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Sorry.
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That took a second to remember to kick in.
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Is, uh, going to be a good one.
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I'm excited.
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I am refresh.
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I hope you had a wonderful holiday season.
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I know I did.
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Um, although I don't look like.
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I just got off the treadmill before a recording today.
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But I I'm excited about 20, 25 and I hope you are too.
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Again, I hope you had a great holiday season.
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You got some refreshing, relaxing time with family.
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That is a.
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You know, open to interpretation, depending on if your.
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Apparent, uh, or you had a lot of family in town.
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It can be rough for some, hopefully it wasn't, hopefully you are refocused re-energized, uh, and excited for the year ahead.
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I know it's corny.
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Because so many bills do it.
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And I don't think I am alone in this.
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I know a lot of people start off there.
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You're setting new intentions, having new goals.
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I think those are all good things to have.
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Um, you know, the start of the year is this.
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A start of a quarter.
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It's no different than any other quarter of the year.
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And so why not?
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Um, I feel like it, I feel like it's a good time to kind of, it's a fresh start.
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It's.
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It's not insignificant, but it's not, you know, I wouldn't put it.
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Uh, as an, an end all be all.
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If you didn't think about things and where you want to go in 25, 20, 25 yet.
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That's okay.
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There's plenty of time.
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There's 360 plus days.
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You can do a lot in that time.
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Um, so yeah.
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Hopefully you're caught up.
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Hopefully you're ready to start the new year, but if you're not, you still have some time.
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And, uh, like everything in stroke, everything is different.
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Very survivor.
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And why would goals for the new year be any different?
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Um, so yeah.
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So over break.
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I mean, I bought, so as you know, I was on bill gates and this is podcast, a recovery of.
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Stroke.
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Back in the fall, back in October, November.
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And it was a really great conversation.
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I enjoyed talking to bill, I've talked to bill.
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A couple of times, I've talked to a lot of people who have talked to bill.
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Um, A bunch of different strokes of average over the last couple of months.
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I mean, I've been talking to strokes drivers for years, but, uh, with a new.
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A new sense of purpose, I guess, you know, I was, I build this brand and build the show.
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I reached out to more survivors and I continued to have conversations.
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Uh, Honestly, almost daily since you know, for awhile now, but, uh, it really feels like it's kind of propelled and propelled, propelled itself into like a.
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Another.
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Another level, um, So, yeah, I had a couple conversations last week after the new year holiday.
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And, uh, honestly I just had things to do today.
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Otherwise I would have had more conversations and I got a few on the books for this week.
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Hopefully some new guests.
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Was supposed to.
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Uh, have a couple of guests scheduled over the holidays, but I think schedules just get, uh, You know, we probably all do this as chokes two hours.
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We think we have more time than we do.
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Uh, I'm guilty of this.
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I over-scheduled sometimes.
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And I forget to build in breaks.
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You know, I can't really forget that I have a family, but sometimes I do and, um, things come up and that's okay.
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And that's, you know, Again, Long year.
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Plenty of a podcast guests.
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Uh, in the pipeline now.
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And then, um, you know, I'm going to continue to do the solo episodes on Mondays and Fridays.
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I know the schedule was a little off during the holidays again.
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Uh, guilty of over-scheduling over promising I over promised and under delivered, but you know, the time with the Wednesday holiday in particular this year, Just got a little weird.
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So I did a, I think one or two episodes that first week over during Christmas, and then I did one, one episode to wrap up.
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2024 and then, um, didn't have an episode on new year's and didn't get one out Friday, just a lot of things going on and a lot of conversations.
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And frankly, I was exhausted from the conversations on Friday.
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They're all good.
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They were great.
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Thursday and Friday had a lot of great calls, but it was just, um, a lot to catch up on a lot to think about.
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I just wanted to get ready.
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To hit the ground running this year.
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So, you know, now is Monday, January six.
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It is already the sixth of the new year.
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That is actually kind of wild.
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If you think about it.
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So, yeah.
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Uh, let's circle back to this particular episode, now that we've covered the holidays and we're in the new year.
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Over the weekend.
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I, you know, like I said, I was chatting, I chatted with bill on his podcast.
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He was a guest on mine back in the fall.
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Great guy, enjoy talking to him.
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Bill's got a lot of great insight.
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He's a, uh, 10 plus year stroke survivor.
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I've been through a lot.
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Got a great show on YouTube.
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Check it out.
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If you haven't.
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Uh, again, it's bill gassy.
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This is a.
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Yeah.
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Uh, recovery after stroke is the podcast.
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And then over the weekend, I started reading his book, which I bought back when we chatted.
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And boy do.
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I wish I had that book, um, five years ago when I had my stroke, because it's a really well done.
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I've only read a couple of chapters so far.
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I'm just kind of going through it slowly, trying to really absorb it.
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And take it in.
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It's a great book, highly recommended.
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Uh, he's not asked me to shout it out.
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I just want to talk about it and shout it out.
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It's called a stroke.
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The best thing that happened to me.
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And I will tell you just from the introduction and the first couple of chapters, there's a lot of great takeaways and they're really important.
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I think it's a really good book.
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I've read other books by stroke survivors.
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I don't know that I've come across one.
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That is this good, this quick and just very actionable.
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Now I haven't finished the book, so I can't give it a full review, but.
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It certainly inspired me and getting, thinking about things stuck about this week.
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And because it started in the new year.
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I really wanted to dive into kinda what I've read over the weekend and, and chat about it.
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And I think it's a great building block for the first episode of the show.
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Uh, for the new year.
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So yeah.
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Uh, Just kinda.
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I don't want to give away the book obviously, but I do want to connect with it and, and share some takeaways.
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And some of the, like, you know, things he brought up.
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That I really enjoyed.
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I'm not going to quote the quotes per se, but I think one of the things that immediately jumped out to me in the first few pages.
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Was.
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Avoid placing a timeline on recovery as this is sure.
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To lead to disappointment.
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And that is a very powerful statement.
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If you.
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If you capture it, if you think about it, it is really important.
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Uh, I can't emphasize that enough because I have been guilty of this.
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I think we all have been guilty of this.
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I'm sure bill was guilty of this.
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I think he talks about it in the chapter.
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And looking back.
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It's really good.
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I mean, I've said this before.
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I think a lot of us say recovering from stroke is not the same as recovering from broken bone or a minor medical condition.
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You know, we had crispy and on, uh, about a year ago and he had a heart attack, not a stroke.
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And that was certainly difficult for him.
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And he's certainly been a champion of, uh, being a heart attack survivor.
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Changed his lifestyle changed his diet.
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Very similar story to me he's was about a month before mine.
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We used to be coworkers and, um, But yeah.
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Serious medical life events are, are.
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Oh, it's hard to put a timeline on them.
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Again, broken bones are not insignificant, but they're definitely not the same.
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I can't emphasize that enough.
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I, if you haven't realized that.
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Uh, obviously.
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You know, I think you, you realize it quickly, even if you don't realize it immediately.
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And just that statement alone.
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I feel like I could go on a rant, but I feel like it is super important.
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And so kind of what I've talked about on gelada.
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lots of episodes.
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Is that like, You want to have goals?
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Do you want to have like a, sort of a set of goals and a target and think about a list and that you kind of shuffle a list around based on how you're feeling.
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Where you want to go.
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Like a lot of us who are wheelchair bound, um, You know, generally speaking, the first goal is to walk, right?
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And so that's very easy and clear to focus on, but you can't do.
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All you can, you can't just fix walking in a week.
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I wish you could.
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I certainly wish I could have.
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But it's not possible.
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So there it's, it's a two-fold thing because a lot of times I say focus on one thing, and that is super important.
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I think in realizing that.
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It's important to focus on one thing at a time while you're doing the task.
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You're like, you know, focusing on walking when you're practicing, walking.
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Is what I mean there.
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But you're not going to fix walking in a week.
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You're not probably going to fix it in a month.
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It may be a long journey.
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So what I mean by focusing on one thing at a time, is this focus.
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Whenever you're working on from your list of deficits or things you want to get better on after stroke.
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You know, some of these things may not be apparent in the other early days.
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That's super important.
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To remember.
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And then also on top of that, I think it's super important to, you know, Obviously.
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You put time into walking, but then you may need coordination things.
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Like if you think about it, if you've had the fortunate ability to be an inpatient.
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You know, You do a little speech, you do a little OT, you do a little PT, they break it up into hour long chunks.
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That's probably good enough.
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Obviously, some of us want more, but it.
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Too.
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You know, the reason that they don't give you more generally.
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Is because they know from experience, this is something they all know.
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Um, And again, everybody's different, but generally speaking, you're not going to fix walk in a week.
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Right.
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So you got push it for that hour and push it hard if you want, but like, Going super hard.
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Isn't going to fix things faster.
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I'm a very intense guy.
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I am unapologetic about that.
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I recognize that about myself.
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People tell me all the time.
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In fact, I spoke with Molly from beyond stillness last week.
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And she pointed out to me through our conversation that I.
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I am a, a lot.
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I'm relentless.
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I am, uh, persistent, uh, probably to my detriment.
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It's like, I'm trying to live five lives in one life, and that is.
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Ambitious.
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Not impossible, but perhaps sometimes I need to dial it back.
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Even with the running.
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Think about how intense I am about that.
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I ran 20 miles a day.
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Honestly in the last couple of weeks, uh, last two weeks in particular, I've slowed down a little bit.
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I I'm trying to focus in different areas.
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And on a bunch of different things and I'm going back to Soros, not square one, but kind of square one.
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I'm focusing on things.
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You know, need to do.
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Focus on.
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You know, all of this is to say I'm prefacing.
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A big point.
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Bill makes in chapter one of his book, which is.
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Sort of setting the stage for taking responsibility.
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Um, that is something I've done over the course of my stroke.
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It's a very powerful chapter.
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Yeah.
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I can't recommend this book enough.
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To stroke survivors out there who are looking for a book and maybe not a podcast or, or a book to go along with podcasts, you know, Check out his podcast, check out my podcast.
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Um, check out all the podcasts on stroke, figure out, you know, who's speaking to you.
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I know I'm intense.
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I talked with Jason loops last Friday.
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Um, we had a great conversation.
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We're both very intense stroke survivors.
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We, we kind of take it on, uh, D uh, you know, a different angle than others.
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We're both former athletes.
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We're very intense.
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We, we push ourselves hard, um, again on unapologetically, like, but it works for us.
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And that's the important thing was stroke.
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Whether it's my show or another show or anybody's show.
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You can glean something for everybody it's worth listening to a variety of perspectives.
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Find, you know, Listen to them all.
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Honestly, if you're a stroke survivor, why not go support other stroke survivors that are creating content, creating podcasts, you know, post stroke is a great channel.
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If you're at home and doing a lot of.
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Looking for different exercises or just.
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Again, it's it's a lot.
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It's it's it's it's, you know, stroke is not easy.
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It's hard to figure out what's what.
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And we're all kind of.
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Sharing different unique perspectives and sharing the similarities sometimes.
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And it's a.
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You know, we're all sharing that it's worth it and to keep going.
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And I think, you know, again, I was reading Bill's book because.
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He's obviously 300 plus episodes of his podcast and it hits really good.
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He's.
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He's really honed it in he's he's a great interviewer.
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He's got great guests, uh, you know, uh, He's somebody I admire and I hope to build a very similar brand over the next couple of years.
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It's it's not easy as a stroke star.
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You likely know that.
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There's a lot of work that goes into building a podcast.
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These, these.
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The soundbite episodes that are only supposed to be about 30 minutes.
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Sometimes they wind up being longer, but it's a lot and it's, it's, it's a lot for anybody.
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And.
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You know, congratulations to bill and frankly, I'll pat myself on the back.
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I mean, most people, they, I think the stats are like most podcasts, creators that start a podcast.
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They don't make it past episode 14.
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Well, Bill's on 300 and something and I'm on 70.
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This is 74 today.
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I believe of this podcast and I've also done another podcast since my stroke.
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So I'm about.
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I don't think I'm quite to 300, but I'm definitely closing in on 200.
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Between the two podcasts.
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And so, and plus all the ones I've been a guest on and, and, and done with friends and most summer strokes, some are just random other topics.
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I've done a lot with coaches.
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I've done a lot with.
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Uh, different different people with different podcasts, you know?
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Kind of going back to what I chatted with about Molly, that I.
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I'm not trying to live five different lives.
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I just have so many interests kind of like, you know, not to carp, compare myself to Joe Rogan, but.
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He's another guy.
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He has a lot of different guests cause he has a lot of different interests and whatever interests him, interests his audience.
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And that's that's, what's great about him.
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Not everybody can do that.
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Not everybody should do that.
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And I think that's a.
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You know, that's, that's kind of wraps that up, but I think, uh, again, back to Bill's book in particular, There's some really good things in the introduction that I like, you know, again, it's the recovery and not putting a timeline on yourself because you're sure to be disappointed.
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I cannot, I don't want to harp on that, but I do want to emphasize that because I think when you put expectations on yourself as a they can.
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Things change.
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I didn't want to admit that for a long time.
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I'm sure a lot of you didn't want to admit that for a long time.
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It's it's.
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If, if the don't.
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You're very lucky as a stroke survivor, and you're probably not even listening to this podcast, but the reality is things change.
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They may not change forever, but the go to change for a period of time, you're just simply not going to be able to operate.
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To the full capacity that you probably.
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The previous day to hear stroke.
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We're operating at and that's okay.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
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I think the sooner you sort of wrap your head around that.
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The better things to become.
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I'm not going to say easier because nothing is easy as a stroke survivor, but.
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It's better because you're going to, you won't be.
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You won't set yourself up for failure or disappointment or have unrealistic expectations.
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So the sooner you kind of get into that mindset, I think the better.
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You know, and.
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That depends on the day.
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It depends on so many factors.
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Um, He said one thing that was interesting about being guarded about.
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Who and what you share.
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Certain information about, and I think that's, that's an important takeaway too.
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It's not.
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I dunno.
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I think that's, that's unique to everybody.
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But it kind of.
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It's important in that it leads to other things it's like, you.
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Your friends are going to change your life is going to change.
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You may not recognize it early.
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You might not see it till later.
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Again, it may not happen.
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I hope it doesn't happen, but realistically, I think many of us would support this, that.
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Friends and relationships and life changes.
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Pretty dramatically and maybe not abruptly, but it will change over time.
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I think what.
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Sort of delayed my experience in that is that my stroke was right before, about three months before COVID and then on top of the, you know, I had the stroke like that wasn't enough for that.
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I got diagnosed with Ms.
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And then the pandemic happened.
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So it was a real.
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Strange time to say the least.
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Um, you know, I'm not gonna talk too much about that.
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I've talked about.
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How I feel kind of lucky that it happened at that time, but it's also not the best thing to have happened.
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Yeah.
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It's I don't know.
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It's interesting.
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Um, funny enough.
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That the title of the book is stroke.
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The best thing that happened to me, and I kind of really do agree with that.
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But yeah.
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That's kind of, um, you know, kind of the beginning of the book.
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I, again, I don't want to give too much away, but it's really good.
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Highly recommended.
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Um, cannot recommend it enough.
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Go check it out.
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Support bill by the book.
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By the physical copy.
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I bought the Kindle just because I wanted it so fast.
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Uh, I have trouble waiting for things that I want.
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So I did buy the Kindle version.
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But I might go out and buy the hard copy book too, because I just want to support bill and his show and his podcast.
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And so.
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You know, the first sort of main chapter bill talks about responsibility and what that means in his journey for recovery.
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But I like a lot of about what he says.
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You know, responsibility, isn't about blame, but more about ownership.
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Um, taking responsibility is empowering because it gives you control over your actions and your decisions.
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He tells a great story in there where he sort of, I can't remember.
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You know, I'm blanking at the moment because of course it's not in my notes.
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But.
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You know, the recovery journey is kind of, you really have to play the leading role.
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Nobody's going to do it for you.
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People can help and they certainly will and probably should in the beginning.
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But pretty quickly you realize I realized this too.
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I thought I was kind of alone, but I guess I wasn't.
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And.
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You know, I don't know if everybody approaches it this way, but certainly people like bill Jason, Molly, people I've talked to guests I've had on.
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I think we all come to the realization pretty early on in the recovery.
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Now it might not be immediate.
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It might not be week one, but I would say probably the first six months you kind of have this wake up call where you're like, All right.
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I'm not getting the answers I want.
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I'm not getting the answers I need.
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I need help.
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Uh, I'm looking all over the dark depths of the internet.
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Like.
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Again, 2019 wasn't that long ago.
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That was five years ago.
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You would've thought there were more, there was more information back then and there simply wasn't, um, or it was really hard to find.
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You know, I'm not sure how much stock I put into YouTube, but I think I was looking at books.
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I was looking at Google as being a little trust.
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A little naive now, um, AI didn't exist really to, to the degree it does to the public.
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Now.
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So I relied on teams.
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I relied on.
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Medical professionals.
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Aye.
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I would ask everybody, anytime somebody listened to me, I would ask a question and, and, and that's just my nature.
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And generally speaking, you know, they want it to be helpful.
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They would try to give me answers, but I just never liked them.
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So it was very clear to me.
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That, um, for better or worse, I was going to have to take this on, on my own.
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And I sort of did sometimes to my detriment, um, because it got to the point where I was just.
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Trying to figure everything out and thrown.
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Kind of throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks some days.
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Uh, you know, that's why you hear a lot of us talk about trial and error.
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It is a lot of trial and error.
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You gotta be smart.
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You gotta be safe.
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You gotta.
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Do your own research, do your homework.
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Do what feels right for you, but ultimately you do have to test things.
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You have to try.
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You have to figure out how to do it safely.
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You have to know when you're pushing too hard.
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You have to know when to pull back.
00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:25.740
I think Jason and myself were both recommend, you know, if you're even thinking you need to pull back, you probably do because both of us have been guilty of pushing a little too hard at times.
00:21:26.789 --> 00:21:29.009
So it's just something to consider and think about.
00:21:29.069 --> 00:21:32.789
And in your recovery journey, But again, nobody's going to do it for you.
00:21:32.849 --> 00:21:33.750
There's no magic pill.
00:21:33.750 --> 00:21:34.680
There's no secret.
00:21:35.309 --> 00:21:35.700
I don't care.
00:21:35.700 --> 00:21:36.059
What's.
00:21:36.450 --> 00:21:38.190
I think we've all heard the stories.
00:21:38.190 --> 00:21:40.980
There's always somebody that had some miracle thing.
00:21:41.910 --> 00:21:42.839
Get in the mindset.
00:21:42.869 --> 00:21:51.269
That's not going to happen if it does great, but the likelihood is pretty much the same as winning literally a mega millions or Powerball.
00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:52.589
So.
00:21:53.670 --> 00:21:57.059
You know, Think about how only your recovery can shift your mindset.
00:21:57.089 --> 00:22:02.940
Uh, again, in that chapter, he talks about Carol Dweck's book, which I've read a couple of times and I'm actually rereading again.
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:08.430
Cause I feel like taking responsibility is important.
00:22:08.490 --> 00:22:15.420
And you know, at times I have mastered this and at times I have failed myself and those around me and I think.
00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:16.769
It is.
00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:24.450
Another thing to remember, to constantly assess and reevaluate, you know, whether it's your medications.
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.220
Like I.
00:22:27.269 --> 00:22:32.759
I got so good about taking medications that I really didn't question it until last year.
00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:36.630
I really started questioning some things like, do I need to be taking this anymore?
00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:37.920
Like, is this too much?
00:22:38.730 --> 00:22:39.779
Should we cut back?
00:22:39.779 --> 00:22:41.250
Is there something I can do?
00:22:41.309 --> 00:22:46.650
Um, now again, I'm not a doctor, but I certainly was asking a pressing because I feel like if you are.
00:22:47.789 --> 00:22:51.390
You know, in my case, I went from 530 down to, you know, probably.
00:22:51.900 --> 00:22:57.750
Let's say 3 35, uh, you know, I'm a little under two 50 now, so let's just say two 50, keep around numbers.
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:00.210
Let's 280 pounds.
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:00.599
That's ha.
00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:01.500
So I've lost.
00:23:02.009 --> 00:23:03.150
Half of myself.
00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:11.490
I would guess I don't need to take all the medications I'm taking, but I did learn a lesson recently cause running that a B12 and B12 is very important.
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:12.720
If you are in Ms.
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A warrior.
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And so, um, got that back in the toolbox.
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Cause.
00:23:20.609 --> 00:23:29.220
As something was going on and, and anyways, long story short B12 can sometimes if you're not taking it regularly, This is where I made a mistake.
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:31.230
But I took responsibility.
00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:33.900
I owned it and I got the B12 back in the wife's are.
00:23:34.890 --> 00:23:39.779
And the mini drop foot I was experiencing last week seems to be back in order.
00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:45.000
And to the best of my knowledge and after seeing doctor, it does seem like it was the B12.
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:50.250
In fact, because I, I ran out before Christmas and I just hadn't taken it for about a week and a half.
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:50.609
So.
00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:53.700
If you weren't sure I've heard a man's work.
00:23:53.730 --> 00:23:58.349
Uh, I can attest at least B12 for me, uh, needs to come back into the toolbox.
00:23:58.380 --> 00:23:58.710
So.
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That's good.
00:24:00.089 --> 00:24:04.829
And that's what got me thinking about responsibility when it comes to recovery, because I was kind of.
00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:08.369
I wouldn't say it was being irresponsible, but I just kind of thought.
00:24:08.490 --> 00:24:09.750
Uh, do I need this?
00:24:09.750 --> 00:24:12.569
And uh, in fact I do so.
00:24:13.470 --> 00:24:14.369
Yeah, break it down.
00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:17.369
Uh, responsibility, you know, more ideas from the book.
00:24:17.789 --> 00:24:25.289
It's um, accepting what happened while focusing on what you can influence and move forward on again, that kind of circles back to.
00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:28.349
What I talked about in the beginning where.
00:24:29.369 --> 00:24:32.190
It's not focusing on one thing per se, but you do.
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:36.359
Whatever the task is from your list of tasks that you want to work on.
00:24:36.390 --> 00:24:38.819
Focus on that one thing and worry about the next thing.
00:24:38.849 --> 00:24:40.109
When you complete the first thing.
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:49.140
And again, Um, recognizing that, you know, recovery is a team effort, but your, the captain you're the leader.
00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:52.049
If you played sports, you know, captain is a big role, big.
00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:54.660
Big part of any sports competition.
00:24:54.690 --> 00:24:55.950
Um, any team.
00:24:57.180 --> 00:24:58.019
And you got a.
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You have to be able to run a team.
00:25:02.009 --> 00:25:10.500
Uh, Frankly, you know, it's no different than any most professional jobs, whether you're a manager or you're a team lead, or you're a director or a supervisor, whatever.
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:15.900
I run your stroke, carry the same way you might run a team at work.
00:25:15.930 --> 00:25:18.809
Maybe you don't run a full team, but you work with different people.
00:25:18.809 --> 00:25:21.480
You know, you get, you have to learn how to interact in.
00:25:22.349 --> 00:25:24.960
Understand each individual member's needs.
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:28.230
And it's really, I think it comes natural to me.
00:25:28.259 --> 00:25:30.599
And I sometimes overlook this because.
00:25:31.859 --> 00:25:35.700
I just think everybody kind of knows it, but it, it's not obvious to everybody.
00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:36.180
And I think.
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:49.559
Again, um, that's why we talked about, uh, in the previous episode, looking at sports sorta for motivation and looking at biographies, great people that have run big things, whether it's, uh, You know, a CEO.
00:25:50.009 --> 00:25:58.740
Uh, company, whatever, like anybody that's run a team and organization business, there's a lot of blessings that our athletic goal to your stroke recovery.
00:25:59.549 --> 00:26:00.180
And the journey.
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:02.970
And again, it's coordinating team.
00:26:03.930 --> 00:26:06.089
To be honest, I feel like stroke and.
00:26:07.349 --> 00:26:15.119
It's funny sometimes because, um, you know, I'm interested, sort of in doing project management long-term and getting into.
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.000
I appreciate getting it that I feel, but I've been doing it for a long time.
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.680
I've run business, run companies.
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:20.490
Run.
00:26:21.210 --> 00:26:21.750
Teams.
00:26:22.019 --> 00:26:27.210
And, you know, project management is, this is no different than project management.
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.160
That's just a, you are the project.
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:29.579
In fact.
00:26:30.750 --> 00:26:35.789
And so what better opportunity than to, to really hone your skills than to run your own recovery?
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:46.259
And I think another hard part of, um, Stroke is, is letting go of past habits and excuses that whole do back again.
00:26:46.259 --> 00:26:48.569
I was kind of reflecting on this and thinking back.
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.789
You know, going into this year and just, what can I always be doing better?
00:26:53.789 --> 00:26:55.380
What could I do a little differently?
00:26:55.410 --> 00:26:58.349
What are the things that I can eliminate that are not helping?
00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:01.380
And just refocusing, I think is really what.
00:27:02.190 --> 00:27:03.119
Any new year.
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:14.279
You know, A lot of people have goals, they set resolutions, whatever it means to you, but just sort of hone in the first couple of weeks here on there, your focus and.
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:17.910
If you want to focus on particular things for recovery.
00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:18.299
Great.
00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:27.000
If you want to focus on particular things in life, if you're a little bit further along in your show, Curry journey, you know, some may or may not really be focusing on it anymore.
00:27:27.029 --> 00:27:28.680
I mean, there are plenty of survivors out there.
00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:30.599
That have.
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.160
I've really gotten to a place where they there.
00:27:35.789 --> 00:27:37.650
Whether by choice or by life.
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:42.450
Are really back in a place that they were almost prior to the stroke.
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:42.930
Yeah, sure.
00:27:42.930 --> 00:27:45.000
Things are different, but the majority of their life.
00:27:46.349 --> 00:27:50.369
You know, if you, if you're lucky and you put the work in and you, and.
00:27:50.460 --> 00:27:53.250
And you've kind of navigated a recovery pretty well.
00:27:53.880 --> 00:28:00.240
There's no reason why you can't almost get to a place, you know, I'm not quite there yet, but I feel like I'm just about there.
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:07.619
Where you don't have to make, like you can wake up and your first thought is not, I'm a stroke survivor.
00:28:08.549 --> 00:28:10.500
You know, I don't know that that's true for everybody.
00:28:10.829 --> 00:28:17.309
I'm not, I can't say a hundred percent that'll happen, but I, you know, there are days where I just kind of hop out of bed and I don't really think about it until.
00:28:18.329 --> 00:28:20.940
Until it smacks me right in the face, in the middle of the morning.
00:28:21.210 --> 00:28:21.960
Yeah, I don't know.
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:23.700
It's every day is different and a.
00:28:24.930 --> 00:28:27.059
You know, again, it's, it's about tracking.
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.740
It's about keeping lists journaling.
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:32.460
If you, if your handwriting is good, you know, Think about things.
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:37.319
Take the beginning of the year to think about where you're at, where you want to be at the end of the year.
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:39.240
And sort of map that out.
00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:40.440
I think it's, it's good.
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.160
It's important.
00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:44.700
And, you know, um, Try not to.
00:28:46.170 --> 00:28:47.369
You know, when you're doing that.
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.839
I think a possible excuses that maybe you've given yourself in the past, myself included.
00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:56.849
Um, you know, And it's about identifying these things and changing one habit at a time.
00:28:56.849 --> 00:28:59.670
I think that is really a great way to adopt.
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.339
You know, and get in the mindset of just change.
00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:02.970
One thing.
00:29:03.150 --> 00:29:04.950
A day and it doesn't have to be significant.
00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:06.720
Maybe it's a week break the goal down.
00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:07.440
If it's bigger.
00:29:08.190 --> 00:29:10.529
Um, But yeah, just, just.
00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:16.170
You know, again, it's, it's really about owning responsibility, taking responsibility.
00:29:16.890 --> 00:29:18.569
Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
00:29:18.630 --> 00:29:20.190
Get up and do something about it.
00:29:21.089 --> 00:29:21.900
I know it's tough.
00:29:21.930 --> 00:29:22.950
I know it's not easy.
00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:26.759
I know from my own experience, even though you see me.
00:29:27.329 --> 00:29:29.250
And you're like, oh, you've come so far and blah, blah, blah.
00:29:29.309 --> 00:29:29.519
Yeah.
00:29:29.549 --> 00:29:31.589
But there are still things I haven't done.
00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:34.049
Well, things that could have done differently.
00:29:34.890 --> 00:29:42.599
And I, that's why I try to like shy away from people giving me praise, because I know for myself, I can continue to do things better.
00:29:43.470 --> 00:29:45.690
And that is a big goal for me this year.
00:29:46.410 --> 00:29:48.029
I know that's very large abroad.
00:29:48.029 --> 00:29:49.470
It's not very specific.
00:29:49.529 --> 00:29:52.049
Um, I don't want to bore you with the specifics, but I think.
00:29:53.128 --> 00:30:00.388
You know, those challenges are what, um, Or what helped me grow and, and, and it's normal to feel resistance.
00:30:00.419 --> 00:30:01.230
And I think.
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.690
You know, Everybody's different, but.
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.119
Figure out how to get through.
00:30:06.628 --> 00:30:07.049
That.
00:30:07.109 --> 00:30:09.869
And if you're not clear on that, You know, talk to somebody, talk to.
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.329
You know, try to be a guest on Bill's podcast.
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:13.859
It can be a guest on my podcast.
00:30:14.669 --> 00:30:16.378
You don't have to talk about it on a podcast.
00:30:16.378 --> 00:30:17.848
Joan, one of the many zooms.
00:30:17.878 --> 00:30:20.970
You know, I'm still working on that calendar that I said it was going to work on last week.
00:30:21.990 --> 00:30:23.970
To kind of get things organized for.
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:26.638
You know, the stroke community in general.
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:29.579
Um, Yeah, I dropped the ball on that already.
00:30:29.638 --> 00:30:31.169
I just got busy and behind.
00:30:31.169 --> 00:30:34.559
I'm trying to kinda, maybe I need to really work on.
00:30:35.849 --> 00:30:36.089
Yeah.
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:40.170
Not necessarily not promising, but just slowing down the timeline of things.
00:30:40.170 --> 00:30:41.460
Cause I still.
00:30:42.390 --> 00:30:43.740
Try to do things too quickly.
00:30:43.769 --> 00:30:44.670
And as you've seen.
00:30:45.539 --> 00:30:47.909
I said I do it over the weekend and I don't have it.
00:30:47.909 --> 00:30:48.628
And it's Monday.
00:30:48.690 --> 00:30:54.539
So that's something I need to work on this year is trying to continue to hone things in.
00:30:55.380 --> 00:30:57.990
You know, Just keep that running list.
00:30:57.990 --> 00:31:12.450
And frankly, sometimes I need to shut my mouth about when I'm going to deliver something, because maybe the reality is, you know, I want to keep doing things and I don't want to burn out and I want to have a nice, solid, continuous year doing this show, doing the many things I do.
00:31:13.648 --> 00:31:16.470
And stop over promising and under the ring.
00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:21.690
Cause that's really where my bread and butter was for the longest time was under promising and over-delivering.
00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:23.940
So I think I need to get that mindset shift.
00:31:25.529 --> 00:31:32.099
So, yeah, uh, already over 30 minutes on this first episode of the year, I know it didn't talk for two weeks, uh, or week and a half on the show.
00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:33.150
But yeah.
00:31:33.809 --> 00:31:38.039
There's a lot of great takeaways, highly can't recommend the book enough, highly recommended to everybody.
00:31:38.069 --> 00:31:40.769
That's a stroke survivor, caregiver, family member, or friend.
00:31:40.769 --> 00:31:42.420
I think Bill's got a great book there.
00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:47.519
I can't wait to dig into the rest of it throughout the week and come back and chat more about it on Friday.
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.519
Uh, I'm going to see what I'm going to do about Wednesday.
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:56.878
I did not get, uh, we did not get anything recorded, uh, with a guest over the last couple of weeks.
00:31:56.909 --> 00:31:57.240
So.
00:31:57.869 --> 00:31:58.740
A little led on that.
00:31:58.769 --> 00:32:01.079
I have one in the pipeline, but I'm going to save that.
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.130
So we'll see if I can, maybe I'll just do another short, quick episode on this Wednesday.
00:32:06.089 --> 00:32:07.019
Catch everybody up.
00:32:07.049 --> 00:32:07.950
See what's going on.
00:32:08.549 --> 00:32:11.670
And then, uh, yeah, I'll be back on Friday for sure.
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.710
Back on schedule Monday, Wednesday, Friday, again, uh, we'll see what happens.
00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:19.950
Got a couple of things that might sneak in before her, uh, Wednesday.
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:20.549
So we'll see.
00:32:21.329 --> 00:32:23.039
Anyways, I'll wrap it up for today.
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.759
I hope you are having a great 20, 25, a happy Monday.
00:32:27.328 --> 00:32:31.558
I know it's exciting that the work world and life is kind of back in motion.
00:32:31.558 --> 00:32:32.429
The kids are back at school.
00:32:32.429 --> 00:32:33.538
I could not be more pumped.
00:32:34.378 --> 00:32:35.548
A lot of great things going on.
00:32:35.608 --> 00:32:36.749
Uh, busy week ahead.
00:32:36.749 --> 00:32:41.128
So I will, um, now I'll leave it there and I will see.
00:32:42.929 --> 00:32:44.519
Hopefully one day, but definitely ready.
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